2384 - Separated: Inside the American Tragedy at the Southern Border w/ Jacob Soboroff

Sam hosts MSNBC correspondent Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) to discuss his new book Separated: Inside an American Tragedy, which details the reporter's first hand account of the migrant family separation crisis at the US southern border.

On today's show: Asked if he thinks he's the underdog, Trump says he's not, he's got boaters and bikers all over America.

MSNBC correspondent Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) joins Sam to discuss his new book Separated: Inside an American Tragedy, which details the reporter's first hand account of the migrant family separation crisis at the US southern border. How family separation worked during the Obama administration and how it intensified under Trump. The El Paso pilot program. The idea of using family separation as a "deterrent" (punishment) for undocumented immigrants pioneered by Stephen Miller and his ilk. The constitutional safeguards that officials like Kirstjen Nielsen were made aware of, but ultimately pushed past.

On the fun half: Mike Pence says White House doesn't want CDC guidelines to prevent schools from reopening. Asked about LA schools, Trump says get new officials & it's a balancing act, it's also politics. Asked about testing delays, Trump says testing is working too much. Rush Limbaugh suggests Americans adapt to Covid like the Donner party adapted to cannibalism. Real America Fox News talks about NYT, Franken, Hollywood and Bari Weiss. Fox & Friends teases new Fox Nation moms episode about SOCIALISM! Plus, your calls and IMs.

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